tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470781729941761069.post2139587609353508481..comments2023-10-26T03:39:34.927-04:00Comments on USCCB Blog: Death Penalty: Political Sport at Its Most BarbarousMatt Palmerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07831806518934060560noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470781729941761069.post-42688374506850522752011-11-21T18:27:49.299-05:002011-11-21T18:27:49.299-05:00@Dudley: "First, the 'pro life' term ...@Dudley: "First, the 'pro life' term was, originally, identified with the anti abortion movement, which still seems the most appropriate context."<br /><br />Untrue. The pro-life movement is concerned with all human beings from conception through death. You may wish to have the movement focus on abortion but true pro-lifers (such as myself) understand and fight for the rights ofmoocowmooyoumoohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11251506668676271258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470781729941761069.post-77827827195545415352011-11-03T13:15:27.347-04:002011-11-03T13:15:27.347-04:00There is a great deal more to the Catholic positio...There is a great deal more to the Catholic position on capital punishment than is implied by characterizing it as mere "political sport." Given that throughout the Church's entire history until the end of the 20th century she had consistently recognized the justness of the punishment and the right of States to impose it, a serious discussion of the issue would be not only beneficialJMChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06904319629463145089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470781729941761069.post-48330127946015594652011-11-02T20:37:45.804-04:002011-11-02T20:37:45.804-04:00Sister you state and ask:
"There have been ...Sister you state and ask:<br /> <br />"There have been 1,268 executions since the U.S. Supreme Court reinstated the death penalty in 1976. Can anyone say the years since them have been made safer?"<br /> <br />Yes, much safer, with many additonal innocents lives spared and protected.<br /> <br />In 1977, when executions were resumed (only 1), the murder rate was 8.8/100,000 and the dudleysharphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12796468204722853648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470781729941761069.post-82229910882995885932011-11-02T19:06:35.500-04:002011-11-02T19:06:35.500-04:00JMC:
Your analysis is correct.
The current Churc...JMC:<br /><br />Your analysis is correct.<br /><br />The current Church problem is that they can't override eternal Church teachings, as to the primary foundation for sanction, and which is, again repeated in the current CCC, as with <br /><br />2266: "The primary scope of the penalty is to redress the disorder caused by the offense. When his punishment is voluntarily accepted by the dudleysharphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12796468204722853648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470781729941761069.post-1629391514314313512011-11-02T09:46:01.609-04:002011-11-02T09:46:01.609-04:00I agree with those who expressed disappointment wi...I agree with those who expressed disappointment with this article. I surely can't be alone in noting that, as horrid as it is made out to be, capital punishment is still supported if it is deemed necessary to keep us safe. Apparently our safety is so important it allows us to use even the most horrible means to achieve it.<br /><br />The Church based her position on capital punishment (prior JMChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06904319629463145089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470781729941761069.post-40048067387108882252011-11-01T18:09:18.324-04:002011-11-01T18:09:18.324-04:00Christy:
The death penalty as pro life
First, t...Christy:<br /><br />The death penalty as pro life<br /><br /><br />First, the "pro life" term was, originally, identified with the anti abortion movement, which still seems the most appropriate context.<br /><br />Secondly, in the context of the facts, yes, of course you can be pro life and pro death penalty. There is no contradiction.<br /><br />All sanctions are given because we valuedudleysharphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12796468204722853648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470781729941761069.post-27804349865702262872011-11-01T18:00:53.117-04:002011-11-01T18:00:53.117-04:00Both EV and the CCC attempt a drastic restriction ...Both EV and the CCC attempt a drastic restriction on the death penalty, which is based upon the secular concern of prison security and its ability to "defend society".<br /><br />First, this is a prudential judgement for which any good Catholic, with reflection and respect, is free to disagree with and to support an increase in executions, if they find such appropriate.<br /><br />dudleysharphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12796468204722853648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470781729941761069.post-5945157148452986282011-11-01T17:57:52.650-04:002011-11-01T17:57:52.650-04:00Sister:
The exoneration claims are a simple and b...Sister:<br /><br />The exoneration claims are a simple and blatant deception, easily uncovered by fact checking, as many have done.<br /><br />Please review:<br /><br />5) The 130 (now 138) death row "innocents" scam<br />http://homicidesurvivors.com/2009/03/04/fact-checking-issues-on-innocence-and-the-death-penalty.aspx<br /><br />These false innocence claims by anti death penalty dudleysharphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12796468204722853648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470781729941761069.post-85226396024475908922011-11-01T17:55:18.292-04:002011-11-01T17:55:18.292-04:00On such a serious topic as this, it is inappropria...On such a serious topic as this, it is inappropriate to make such wrongheaded comparisons as living Christians being mauled to death by lions and the execution of guilty murderers.<br /><br />As the sister knows cheers went up when Obama announced the killing of both bin Laden and Anwar al Awlaki, for which I have seen little consternation.<br /><br />Plus, I think it reasonable to assume that dudleysharphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12796468204722853648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470781729941761069.post-22056210707295669482011-11-01T17:45:02.144-04:002011-11-01T17:45:02.144-04:00The current teaching on the death penalty is a pru...The current teaching on the death penalty is a prudential judgement, not doctrine.<br /><br />Prudential judgements, by definition, cannot be doctrine.<br /><br />Any Catholic can support more executions and remain a Catholic in good standing.<br /><br />There is also the matter of error, within both EV and the CCC.<br /> <br />"The most reasonable conclusion to draw from this discussion is dudleysharphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12796468204722853648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470781729941761069.post-62816426814210745402011-10-07T18:41:44.766-04:002011-10-07T18:41:44.766-04:00It is not possible to be Christ-like and to believ...It is not possible to be Christ-like and to believe that we have the right to execute human beings.<br /> If you say it is, then you have papered over, or maybe buried deeply, the glaring inconsistency that exists between your dual positions.<br /> The taking of a life created by God, by anyone other than God, cannot be justified.<br /> We have not explored all possible avenues of action Danny Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09946081484009707042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470781729941761069.post-85050622606336226662011-10-04T12:09:36.259-04:002011-10-04T12:09:36.259-04:00What a wonderful post! I often reflect to my non-...What a wonderful post! I often reflect to my non-Catholic friends and co-workers that the church does not speak up about the death penalty often enough, and I am disappointed that there are pro-life groups that (rightly) take a stand on abortion but refuse to do so on the death penalty. <br /><br />Thank you so much Sr. Mary for reflecting my own sentiments and those of many Catholics!Christyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09781879209051015305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470781729941761069.post-60267609152224730112011-10-03T15:24:09.639-04:002011-10-03T15:24:09.639-04:00With the utmost respect Sr. Mary Ann Walsh, I find...With the utmost respect Sr. Mary Ann Walsh, I find it difficult as someone who loves God to proclaim that the death penalty is catagorically wrong. I find your article to be a bit of a straw man. Serious proponents of the death penalty support it only when there is no question of guilt. Taken a step further, the hypothetical witnessing-a-relative-being-murdered scenario can be used as an Bobby Fernandezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09456005834861627731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7470781729941761069.post-54706470211791308312011-10-03T15:13:00.054-04:002011-10-03T15:13:00.054-04:00Clarity in discussing serious topics such as capit...Clarity in discussing serious topics such as capital punishment/death penalty is crucial. So Sr. Mary Ann Walsh’s loose writing surprised me. Obviously, this is an emotional topic.<br />However to unequivocally say that “[t]he death penalty is vengeance and a penalty to be reserved to the One who doesn’t make mistakes” is either overly emotional or carelessly written. Though one can argue that Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13916449736870334939noreply@blogger.com